Yea it's tough at times Rick, this lake is a touch lake but there's monsters in it. And thanks guys. 3 days ago I went a caught a monster, when I went to ...more grab my phone for a pic I realized it left it in the car. I was so uqpset, I just tossed it back. but it was for sure my biggest yet. unfortunately I can't afford a scale so I can't accurately weigh them.